From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
I find it so easy to do the "silence" one, or something similar. I'll assume I'm always the outsider in any group, and that by doing anything other than staying silent I'm being pushy -- and forget that I prefer other people to make a cheery greeting whoeever they are...
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
Yeah. I've done the same thing in relationships with people too. Several people have commented that when they first got to know me I was very quiet. From my point of view, the conversation was fine, all I was doing was not interrupting them in order to talk about what I wanted to talk about. But from their point of view, I wasn't really contributing much. All because my threshold for "how much silence before it's normal to introduce a radically new topic of conversation" was 2s, and theirs was 0.2s.

Date: 2013-01-28 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cartesiandaemon.livejournal.com
However, I felt the linked article about toilet seats didn't go into enough detail. There seem to be two hypotheses:

#1. Everyone, regardless of gender, gets used to leaving the toilet seat in whatever position they last used it, and expecting it in that position. Thus men have to get used to checking the position of the seat before using it, and women don't.

#2. Women learn to accommodate men and men don't learn to accommodate women.

The second is quite plausible -- it happens in lots of other situations, including many much more important ones. But when I hear people arguing about it, I don't hear people saying "hey, I catered for you all the time, why aren't you catering to me" or "OK, there's N women and M men in this household, so lets cater for M/N". I hear people saying "leaving the toilet seat up/having to leave the toilet seat down IRRATIONALLY ANNOYS ME AND I CAN'T EXPLAIN WHY, RRRAGH!"

It seems fully explained by the fact that the time investment is not in three seconds of putting it up or down, but in forming a habit that you previously didn't have, either to always put the seat down, or to always check the position of the seat before sitting. The miscommunication appears to be that men think it's obvious that you'd never sensibly be able to fall in, and women think it's obvious that it's just something that might happen, so neither side actually SAY so.

I was puzzled for ages why people felt so strongly about it, and then someone pointed out (i) forming habits is hard work and (ii) if you never have to check if the seat is down, you never learn the habit of checking and suddenly it was really obvious.

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