So the post actually talks about those things you're advocating
No... it does not -- it talks about the things I'm not advocating. If you like we can divide our politics into "in system" and "out of system".
"in system" we attempt to change the politicians we have... by electoral reform, educating young people about politics, changing lobbying (fucks sake, we're in a system where the one attempt to change lobbying rules has somehow been sold as a "gagging law" and everyone hates it) and getting involved in party politics. Can you not see why I consider this a feeble response to someone saying "the system is broken".
"out of system" would be attempts to improve without the need for a political change of the central system-- not necessarily illegally but by movements which change how things can be financed, collective organisation... movements which can achieve positive things and real political goals without (or despite) the lack of change of the political system.
The post is highly depressing because as a response for a call to make a run around the current political system and achieve things without it, outside it, around it or despite it, this post is a call for people to invest more time in the political system, sink themselves into it and essentially do exactly the opposite.
The things in this post have their place but their place is for people who start from the point of view that the current political system is fine but could do with a patch up.
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Date: 2013-10-29 09:50 pm (UTC)So the post actually talks about those things you're advocating
No... it does not -- it talks about the things I'm not advocating. If you like we can divide our politics into "in system" and "out of system".
"in system" we attempt to change the politicians we have... by electoral reform, educating young people about politics, changing lobbying (fucks sake, we're in a system where the one attempt to change lobbying rules has somehow been sold as a "gagging law" and everyone hates it) and getting involved in party politics. Can you not see why I consider this a feeble response to someone saying "the system is broken".
"out of system" would be attempts to improve without the need for a political change of the central system-- not necessarily illegally but by movements which change how things can be financed, collective organisation... movements which can achieve positive things and real political goals without (or despite) the lack of change of the political system.
The post is highly depressing because as a response for a call to make a run around the current political system and achieve things without it, outside it, around it or despite it, this post is a call for people to invest more time in the political system, sink themselves into it and essentially do exactly the opposite.
The things in this post have their place but their place is for people who start from the point of view that the current political system is fine but could do with a patch up.